Stepping out of the mainstream education system and into the business world is equal parts daunting and exhilarating.
In today's episode, we are talking with one of our founding Your Wild Business students Leanne Webster who has created a community and connection in Bundaberg QLD with her wonderful business Wild Gully.
In this episode Leanne shares:
🌱Her personal journey from the four walls of a classroom into the limitless expanse of the wilderness
🌱The realities of running an early learning business
🌱The power of personal connection when growing a customer base
🌱 The importance of community collaboration when it comes to Nature Play
🌱 How our signature Your Wild Business Course influenced her journey
If you want a behind-the-scenes view into what it's like to start a Nature Play business or simply love a good story, this episode will leave you inspired and full of inspiration.
Full Show Notes Can Be Found Here
https://www.raisingwildlings.com.au/blog/stepping-out-of-the-classroom-with-leanne-webster-from-wild-gully
Other ways we can help you:
Stepping out of the mainstream education system and into the business world is equal parts daunting and exhilarating.
In today's episode, we are talking with one of our founding Your Wild Business students Leanne Webster who has created a community and connection in Bundaberg QLD with her wonderful business Wild Gully.
In this episode Leanne shares:
🌱Her personal journey from the four walls of a classroom into the limitless expanse of the wilderness
🌱The realities of running an early learning business
🌱The power of personal connection when growing a customer base
🌱 The importance of community collaboration when it comes to Nature Play
🌱 How our signature Your Wild Business Course influenced her journey
If you want a behind-the-scenes view into what it's like to start a Nature Play business or simply love a good story, this episode will leave you inspired and full of inspiration.
Full Show Notes Can Be Found Here
https://www.raisingwildlings.com.au/blog/stepping-out-of-the-classroom-with-leanne-webster-from-wild-gully
Other ways we can help you:
Stepping out of the system and into your own nature. Play business can be equal parts daunting also exhilarating, and so in today's episode I'm talking to one of our founding while business students, who has created community and connection by starting her own business called Wild Gully in Bundaberg, queensland. I'd like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which we're recording today the Kabi Kabi and Gabi Gabi people. I would like to recognise the continued connection to the land and waters of this beautiful place we call home. I also recognise Aboriginal people as the original custodians of this land and acknowledge that they have never seen its sovereignty. I'd like to pay my respects to all Gabi Gabi elders, ancestors and emerging elders and any First Nations people listening today.
Vicci Olvier:Hello everyone and welcome to the Raising Wildlings podcast. You have me today, vicky Oliver, and I'm so excited to be connecting you with our guest, alianne Webster. Now. Alianne was one of our foundation members when we opened up our very first round of the Wild Business course and we have watched her start out as a curious volunteer to building this amazing program and community in Bundaberg and we really wanted to ask her some questions about that journey for her. So we are very, very excited to introduce you to our guest today. Alianne, welcome to Raising Wildlings, a podcast about parenting, alternative education and stepping into the wilderness, however that looks, with your family.
Nicki Farrell:Each week, we'll be interviewing experts that truly inspire us to answer your parenting and education questions. We'll also be sharing stories from some incredible families that took the leap and are taking the road less travelled.
Vicci Olvier:Wear your hosts, vicky and Nikki from Wildlings Forest School, pop in your headphones, settle in and join us on this next adventure. Alianne, thank you so much for joining us on the podcast today.
Leanne Webster:Thank you so much, vicky. This is fabulous, very excited.
Vicci Olvier:So excited. So here on the Sunshine Coast we're on Gabi Gabi Land. Where are you up in Bundaberg?
Leanne Webster:So in Bundaberg and Surround. We are on Gowang Gowang, terribiland, bunda Gowang and by the people's country.
Vicci Olvier:So we've got a few different language groups all in that area, which is amazing. A lot of different groups to draw from and to be inspired by in that space. Because Bundaberg is beautiful Like I had no idea up until recently, when some friends moved there, what a beautiful area it is so blessed.
Leanne Webster:We've got beaches and bush and rainforest and country and hills and creeks. We are very blessed.
Vicci Olvier:Where about most of your? What kinds of environments are you running your programs at Wild Gully?
Leanne Webster:Sure, I work with the Bundaberg Regional Council and so most of my programs are on parks around the district. I've got the venue risk assessments with the council, so I've got about eight of those that I use. Some are local, like Central to Bundaberg, like the Queens Park and the Botanical Gardens and Baldwin Swamp, and then some are on the beach and then more bush orientated. So, yeah, a bit of a variety, which is really lovely.
Vicci Olvier:It is really lovely because I think that you can really broaden the scope of your programs. So let's start there. What kind of programs do you run? Tell us all about Wild Gully.
Leanne Webster:Okay, well, it's me Leanne. I am solpreneur, which is another deal of issues, isn't it? Yeah, all right. So I have got three predominant programs Little Explorers, which is our play group, zero to three years. Bushkendi, which is a three to six years Homeschool, which is multi-age. And then I just have a new little thing on the side. Someone called me a baubert just recently, like I like shiny new things and I probably do, but I probably need to stop. Now. We've got a mother's postpartum group, which is amazing to have these mums out in nature with their bubbies, all just talking and connecting and telling their story and their journey and making Leanne cry, because it's so amazing and that is what's so powerful about any groups that we run, whether that's in nature or not.
Vicci Olvier:But the power of nature really makes it something special again, and there's something about that freedom that really draws out people's experiences and creates what do we hope is a safe space for people.
Leanne Webster:And it is, yeah, absolutely. I mean you can see that connection just building just after two weeks of these new mums and already I've just got a heap of messages this morning about where they would like their group to go. And it is is. Nature is just makes you feel fabulous.
Vicci Olvier:So great. So I guess let's cycle right the way back and tell us, before you started, wild Gully, tell us about your background, like where did you start, and then I'd love to hear how that progressed and what was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Leanne Webster:Okay, few straws, but anyway, so I'm a teacher for 20 years, early childhood trained here in Bundaberg. Actually, mature age student always wanted to be the teacher, always the kid you know, one of four that was playing hairdressers. Sorry, my sister was the hairdresser. I was always playing teachers, so always wanted to be a teacher. So very lucky that Bundaberg bought back to the CQU University here and I was able to train early my bachelor education here when my kids were little. So, yeah, three under five and off I went full-time uni as you do, crazy, crazy.
Leanne Webster:So always yearning to work with children and my inspiration to start Wild Gully. Well, I guess I saw that I was changing and evolving and I feel like systems weren't keeping up to me. Wow, yeah, yeah. So I just felt there was a need for kids to be outside, learning, being free, being able to play, and that was being not being supported, you know, around in my environment. So one year I had 18 little boys in my class and then I started to take them outside a lot more and just saw like these little kids that wouldn't talk in the classroom, to be verbal and excited and engaged out in nature, and like, oh, my goodness, this is, this is a little crazy. So then that became a regular part of my program. And then NaturePay Queensland came along and I thought, beauty, I did some training. And then a colleague said to me Leanne, you just seem to have this spark in your eye and this joy, you need to start this up. And I thought, yeah, yeah, that is such a pipe dream. You know, we all need money, don't we?
Vicci Olvier:Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Leanne Webster:We all need money. And then I found your podcast and I was like all struck and I volunteered. My very first volunteer with Wildlings was in the June-July holidays and I had to call because I was going to be late on the morning and as I was trying to find the phone number, when I stopped at GenP to tell it detour, I had this email from Wildlings because I was on your mailing list, of course, and you are offering the foundation business wild business course and I don't know if you know this story, vicki, but I thought then oh my goodness, they've written this course for me.
Leanne Webster:Oh no way, that's what I thought it's like, all the way to the next hour drive. And then I did my morning or my day, I think it was a whole day I volunteered and I was like, went home to my girlfriend's place that night at San Juan Coast and I thought I have to do it. Yeah, it was like a sign and so I signed up, you did. I did because I was like you're only taking one of ten and I had to be in. I had to do it because, like, I'm very determined, very passionate.
Vicci Olvier:You are.
Leanne Webster:So I signed up and then that was July. I did nothing. I looked I'm going oh, this is way too, hard.
Leanne Webster:what are they talking about? Policies and procedures? I? And so came January you know, we're home over holidays and I just had a look and I thought, oh yeah, I'll just fluff around and have a play for a couple of days. So I did that and started to put everything in. And then I went back to school and just yeah, my mental health just went and I just found that I just I couldn't cope, yeah, and I had to leave and everything got approved and here I am and it brings me joy.
Vicci Olvier:It's so. It's interesting too. Sometimes when you open little can of worms you just start burrowing down a little rabbit hole and I think it's hard to unsee things once you've seen a different way. It can be very, very hard to say I know this better way. Like sometimes we really are stuck and there is no option for us to do that and the decisions made for us. But when you're in a space where there is an option and you can make a different choice, then it becomes a matter of an internal battle of do I want to do this or not? What was the little thing in you that was like I'm going to make this leap from being in us and I guess there is safety in being in the system to taking on the responsibility of going out on your own.
Leanne Webster:What was the leak? I guess believing in myself that I had the knowledge, I had the skills, I had the passion and I had counsel, and I had you guys. I don't know if you know this, but you have mentors for life.
Leanne Webster:So I had you guys that are just there. It's my questions that still come up and thinking I think I can do this. Yeah, and there was a need. Once I started doing some marketing there was such a need. I just had so many inquiries. Yeah, definitely a need in my community, because there's only me at the moment doing nature play.
Vicci Olvier:I think a lot of people forget that too. They see things happening but it's not actually accessible to a lot of people. It's still a relatively new way of offering services to people. It can be embedded in schools, it can be embedded in early learning. But that option to broaden who this is available for? Because there's plenty of people out there looking for that connection outside of sending your child and outsourcing that completely, because do you find that people are looking for that connection as well as parents?
Leanne Webster:Big time coming from. We've had about 30,000 visitors call Bundaberg home in the last little while, so there's so many people that are away from families and growing in a small country town with 30 plus first cousins I didn't have that I know. I had so many opportunities for playmates and coming one to four and just families just being so lonely. So, lonely.
Leanne Webster:But then, coming to Wild Gully, it's like Wildlings, with like-minded people though. Yes, they want to be there, they aren't forced. Yes, no one is forcing them, and they come and they are open. Yes, they are ready, and it's really beautiful.
Vicci Olvier:That ability for people because they want to know more. And that connection can happen so easily. Because you're passionate about what you do, they're interested in finding out more, and that connection it doesn't take as long to form because it's so powerful.
Leanne Webster:Yeah for sure, and what I'm finding is which is I've not had in the last 20 years, but only in this year is parents asking me for advice Because I have so much experience and my thing is childhood development and brain development and play, the right to play and all the different types of play. So I do get asked for advice which is real and really empowers me as well, and what would you say?
Vicci Olvier:I mean, you're pretty niche at the moment and the fact that you don't have much direct competition, but we always say that there's room for everyone, but you don't have any competition. But what would you say? Your special source is at Wild Gully, like what makes you so unique as a nature play provider.
Leanne Webster:Okay, so obviously my passion and my knowledge. I kind of I don't know how I found my way into this, but I've kind of got a unique messy and sensory offering which is the families are enjoying, yeah, so that's pretty unique.
Vicci Olvier:I love that, and you're right, because if I think about your photos and stuff, that's often what I see.
Leanne Webster:Yeah, yeah, and it wasn't really the path that I guess I was searching for, but it was a need, yeah, yeah, and so it's kind of just developed over and I've evolved, we're evolving to meet community needs and I guess that I'm always trying to find research to bring it back to my practice and say, you know, I'm doing this because it's age appropriate or it's development appropriate or it supports this, you know, sensory or, and the parents are really curious about that. So I guess I can be an advocate as well.
Vicci Olvier:Love that Child led play yeah, because I think some families, you know, in the community, and some like council or whatever, are still unsure about how play is so powerful and that we as adults, even professionals, yeah, don't need to be so close or to stop it or to ask questions, we just need to be that is such a tricky one, hey, and I think that it is still something that is a conversation within our team is Bringing that understanding of the fact that our role, what our role actually is and what it looks like because what it looks like and what we're doing is is Unseen work a lot of the time, and and and for people to value the power of children Learning in their own way amongst each other. Do you find it hard to communicate sometimes to people?
Leanne Webster:I do. I do, I think, because people say, oh, we could just be doing this at home.
Leanne Webster:Yeah, fabulous please do, yeah, I do copy a lot, I do hear, listen to all your podcasts, and so, yeah, you'll probably hear me saying, um, some of the things that I believe that you guys are doing fabulous. So I guess it's us as early childhood and and teach. You know, teachers, facilitators, we are there to support and to guide and to mentor. I mean, that's one of my things as well. I love to mentor, whether it's adults or children. Mm-hmm, yes, that's, yeah, I don't know, it's a difficult one for sure. Yeah, I think that it.
Vicci Olvier:It can be difficult, more so when people Are not open to receiving, but it can be a lot easier as we're talking about it, maybe even with someone else and they're hearing it secondhand or you know, yeah, finding more ways to narrate what we're seeing so people can can see that we're actually thinking about it and that there's so much power in us not Having to play with children. And one of the things I find really fascinating and in fact want to talk with Peter Gray a bit more because we've got him on the podcast again and I think that his insights on this is the anthropological, like evolution of children have always been With them, with other children. That's how they've learned through observation and that adults historically have not Played with children or being so heavily involved in direct instruction. It is always been through modeling, which I find really fascinating.
Leanne Webster:Absolutely 100% it's and probably, like you guys, the most of my clients are professionals. Mm-hmm. I teach this, or solicitors or nurses, so they are very in tune with what play is. Yeah, which? Is great, which is, which is really fabulous. So that and they're keen to learn more about what, what, what makes, while gully so unique as well, that's amazing.
Vicci Olvier:Now there is unique challenges, obviously, with running your own business. What would you say? One of the hardest parts is about your journey so far and being a solo Director of your business sure is believing in myself really.
Leanne Webster:Yeah, that's self-belief. Yeah, believing that I do have the knowledge Mm-hmm, I do have the capability, yeah, so that that's been probably a whole year to get that, mm-hmm, I would say the last little while.
Vicci Olvier:It's so universally and like that's one of the reasons why it became such a big thing for us to talk about with people, because I still have that. I have moments of where I doubt what myself and my knowledge, and it's it's such a universal feeling because we don't want to let people down. I think that it all comes from a place of wanting to serve people in the best way that we can, and we and we just worry that we're not going to be able to do that. And then we have these moments that show us actually You're so capable and so competent, and sometimes things are 100%, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't try and you shouldn't Be wanting to be on a learning journey yourself, because that's what we teach children, right?
Leanne Webster:Yeah, 100% and it is. You know, I am a completely different person now and mother to what I was when I was a new man Was when I was a new mother nearly 30 years ago. Yeah, it's a mom. You have changed so much and we love how you are, but you only do what with the knowledge that you have at the time. Exactly exactly, and they are very forgiving. You know. You know things have changed and I only knew what I knew. So so my, my transformation has been huge, professionally, personally, and so I Did just complete a marketing course and that gave me another whole heap of confidence. Like people are going to wall gully because of nature, people are going to wall gully because of me.
Vicci Olvier:And that is something that I think that it's a realization that sets in after a while that you are Such an important part and anyone else that's part of your team, yeah and be. It's like, you know, those moments where we think about that teacher that was transformative in our lives, or a Mentor, and it could be an auntie, but someone who just made all the difference. And the reason why it's so powerfully, ann, is because you put your heart and soul into your business and people know that and they know that that what you provide is for them and they feel so much care and that you are doing everything that you know possible to help children and their families to really thrive. And those such an important Realization a particularly for your marketing as well to you know, because it is so hard to put your face out there sometimes.
Leanne Webster:Oh, so hard, yeah, so hard, and I guess also I've created a membership which has given me another set of, like family people that I can, my clients that I can go back on and ask for feedback. Yes, I might not like their answers all the time, but that's it's helped me serve as well. Exactly in a bit, a better understanding of their needs.
Vicci Olvier:Exactly, and and that realization to that, even with every intention that we have, that we may not meet the needs of all people because they're on different journeys also and have different Understandings of things. Yeah, 100%.
Vicci Olvier:That's really amazing that you I'm glad you know that and we have had to sort of tell our own stuff. Like you know, our customers will really love to see your faces and it is amazing when I see our stuff pop on and they're like, hey guys, we're getting set up and they'll put their faces on there. And then in our DMs I'd be like, oh my gosh, I love seeing your face, like it was so nice, I'm so excited to come back and and then you know it's that immediate feedback and they're like, oh they, they, it's like they know we tell, we tell our staff and we tell ourselves people are turning up for us. But sometimes you, there's a little part of you that doesn't believe it until someone else. It's like when your spouse tells you you're great and but in someone else, just as the exact same thing, and you're like, oh my gosh, that was thank you so much, because you know that person already loves you out.
Vicci Olvier:You know, as, as employers, we love our staff and they know that and they sort of expect us to say nice things about them. But when you hear it, that external validation from someone else, you're like, oh, I am doing a great thing here, my presence and and what I offer to the community is is so important and I'm I am changing people's lives and that's what you're doing. You're changing the lives of young families in Bunderberg, which is so, so amazing.
Leanne Webster:Yeah, it is, it is pretty amazing, it is, and to have Support from the community members is is amazing. I do lots of free events at our community areas and you know, and people are still coming up oh who are you, how are you being like that? That to me is pretty exciting. And then to book on the spot going, oh you're amazing, this is amazing, and so that, yeah, very very heartwarming.
Vicci Olvier:It is heartwarming and I found so many levels, so what would you say is some of the best parts, then, about Running your own business in H Clay?
Leanne Webster:Okay. So connection, definitely meeting like-minded people that just get that, just get it, they that get you know the play aspects, the connection aspects being in nature aspects, and I'm finding it's I'm more curious and seeing the kids curious as well and Seeing them being free and seeing that childhood development Develop naturally. You know, if they want to stand, they stand. If they sit, they sit. If they climb, they climb. That's not anyone, because in nature nobody is, I guess, a boss, nobody is in charge. One is an authority.
Vicci Olvier:We're all equal. Isn't that such a beautiful thing to witness.
Leanne Webster:Yeah, yep, having mentors like you.
Vicci Olvier:It's such a beautiful profession. To me, it's probably the most collaborative space I've ever been in.
Leanne Webster:And like connecting with other nature, play businesses and offering them support. They're being that mentor. I can always offer something. Yeah, so, yeah, it is pretty amazing doing the world business course. Was it really? Once I got into it and I really understood the elements of all the policies and procedures? Yeah, it was pretty. Yeah, it was great. And my insurance broker said that what got me over the line? He's that sunshine coast, so they do know wildlings and their boss sends their children to wildlings.
Leanne Webster:So it wasn't a hard sell for my insurance broker, and he said that what got me over the line so quickly were my very precise and professional policies and procedures. So it's very proud.
Vicci Olvier:It is a big thing, though, like we are, it's probably one of our big barriers at the moment is helping people navigate that insurance, because the feedback we've got from our broker is that people will submit a policy or procedure, but it's not.
Vicci Olvier:It's not written in a way that will help insurance providers to take on the risk, because that's what they're doing. They're taking on your risk, and if, then, if your policies and procedures aren't written in a way that makes them feel like you're doing all of the right things, then they're not, then a lot of people are finding it a lot more difficult to get insurance. So it makes me feel really glad, like really deeply glad, that it would. That's what made a difference for you, because that's, I guess, the purpose of why we created the course is there's so much time that goes into that side of things. I don't think that, from an outside perspective, people really understand the depths that business owners have to go to, not only because we have to as an insurance requirement, but also do you find that that paperwork made you feel just so much more comfortable? When you're physically there and something is happening, you're like I actually know what I need to do here.
Leanne Webster:Absolutely 100 percent. I remember in the first week I'm going oh, I just need someone to help me make this decision because it was really windy. Yes, I do. What do I do? Ah, I know what I do. I go to my fear with a policy. Yeah, let's have a look. So it really did help put peace of mind, I guess. Yeah, I know, recently, in January, I created the hand tool policy and I added ropes. Yes, yeah, I think I did it four times before the insurance company came back and said yep, this is okay, leanne, you cannot do ropes.
Vicci Olvier:Yeah, right, because when you need very and that's the guess the thing with the training is that working with like is one thing. To like build a fire in the backyard or to tie a knot up when you're camping to when you're doing that in a group with a group of children, there's a lot of very nuanced things that we do to create safety around the fact that we want children to be able to use these things, and sometimes it takes a while, it takes experience and hopefully training providers can catapult you forward with those things. It's taken us years of perfecting and rewriting and still having professional conversations within the industry for us to all come together and say, hey, is this the way you do things? Does this make you feel safe? Is this create safety for children at the end of the day? So yeah, there's a process. That's a very long process.
Leanne Webster:But it's one thing that I pride myself in. Wild Gully is following our policies and procedures to better.
Vicci Olvier:Yeah, and they are written in a way that actually allows children exploration. It's not restrictive it's safe.
Leanne Webster:No, it's not. Yeah, doing dangerous things carefully.
Vicci Olvier:Absolutely. We absolutely adore watching Wild Gully just blossom and be part of our community, because we do see Wild Gully as part of our extended community and we're very, very proud of what you've been able to achieve, leanne and I know that we've just been talking and you've been saying all of those things, but from the bottom of my heart, because I know that you probably talk with Nikki a fair bit more than you've talked with me through communications, but I'm so, so, so impressed with what you've been able to achieve and what you've created and we see it, we talk about it in the office and I think you should be immensely, immensely proud of what you've created.
Leanne Webster:Yeah, thank you, I am, I am very proud. Yeah, it's come with a few tears and a few smiles and lots of joy, but yeah, and lots of work, but yeah, I'm definitely getting to a comfortable place, putting on some more staff, training those staff up so I can do a lot more of the admin and management side.
Vicci Olvier:So yeah, it's going yeah, which is the next evolution of business, which is another role to step into, which is exciting in itself as well. For sure, we're going to wrap up by a little interview today and ask you our rapid fire questions, so I'd love to know what's on your bookshelf at the moment that our listeners might be interested to hear about.
Leanne Webster:OK, so I like Peter Gray, obviously Fritulin. I listened to him on a podcast and I found it very confronting, very reflect I mean lots of reflection to think that I may have had a part in some of these behaviors and these you know evolution of where we are right now and saying that that I can also move forward and be part of a different world, a different change. Yeah, so I do want to go back and listen to that again because I was very overwhelmed listening to it, but he's very. He's one of my favourite people to listen to. I do really enjoy him. What's on my shelf is actually too many books, but I love historical romance. So yeah, I'm a bit of a bit of a good.
Vicci Olvier:Yeah, nothing like just being taken completely away from reality.
Leanne Webster:Yeah, for sure, I do have some your wild books that I did have, but I haven't got one with me that I physically like to touch. And they now that your wild imagination and the journal.
Vicci Olvier:we sell them wildlings, yeah.
Leanne Webster:Yes, and I just love the feel of them, the look of them, the photo Beautiful. And I know you can see all things on Facebook and social media, but these are just really, really lovely to look at Something about going to a book and seeing things.
Vicci Olvier:that's so different to just Googling something and pulling up an activity on Pinterest.
Leanne Webster:Yeah, 100%. They, just I think they. That image stays longer in your mind. Yeah, and there was a study. Actually I heard that during COVID the people that had photo albums and to go through memories and to look at physical photos were more able to stay in touch and less anxious and their mental health was improved than someone who didn't. Yeah, Wow. That's pretty fascinating.
Vicci Olvier:It is yeah, so there is a lot of value in the physical.
Leanne Webster:Yeah, physical books yeah, I do love Lucinda Riley, her sequence of the Seven Sisters. That's what I'm reading at the moment, anyway.
Vicci Olvier:Yeah, cool, yeah, awesome. Now where do you go in Bundaberg to reset after like a rough day or just needing some downtime in the week? Yeah, I'm a bit of sunset girl so.
Leanne Webster:I love my sunset walks with my, with my pup. So, yeah, I usually do my sunsets, although I'm trying really hard. To get some sun rises in as well Is a struggle for me, yeah, although, yeah, with winter it's OK, you can just pop your head out, go ahead. Yes, Absolutely. I don't mind an odd sunset or two.
Vicci Olvier:Amazing. If you had to change one thing about the education system, what would that be for?
Leanne Webster:you. Well, I've got a list of about 10, but I'll give you my number one. Yeah, one little mantra is if everyone understood childhood development.
Vicci Olvier:Isn't that such an important thing? And I still, like you know, continually amazed by things that I'm learning and I'm like, wow, it really feels like the area of teaching and education really needs to pivot more into that realm. As opposed to the way that we teach children, it's more the way we need to understand children.
Leanne Webster:Yeah, yeah, like every kind of daughter who's an occupational therapist, she's always, you know, in my head Like every behaviour is communicating a need, mm-hmm.
Vicci Olvier:Isn't it such a pivot from thinking?
Leanne Webster:We're not helping these children with their needs.
Vicci Olvier:Absolutely. Yeah, that's a great one. I think that would cover a lot of different things that we could change in the system if we started there, absolutely.
Leanne Webster:Yeah, and like having multi-age and starting school at seven and having play workers to support more risk yeah, all of that.
Vicci Olvier:Yeah, amazing. All right, Leigh Ann, can we find out more about your work? Where do you hang out? Where do I?
Leanne Webster:hang out. I'm on all socials, all of them, all of them, all of them, mainly on Instagram and Facebook, but I do have elements in the other ones email, and I've got a website that picks a bowling as I evolve, and we're all at the local parks and venues all around Bunderburg.
Vicci Olvier:We'll link all of that information in our show notes for anyone who is listening from Bunderburg and wants to get in touch in the real world with you. Which would be amazing, which would be lovely.
Leanne Webster:Thank you.
Vicci Olvier:You're so welcome, Leigh Ann. Thank you so much for joining us today, yeah thanks, Vicky.
Leanne Webster:Thank you.
Vicci Olvier:Oh, I can't tell you how beautiful it is to connect with people in our community and, as I said earlier, it's one of the most collaborative industries that I have ever worked with, and we all work so, so hard in nurturing those connections and raising each other up, because we all know how important the work is that we do. So make sure you check out Leigh Ann's work, support her on her socials and get that word out to those people in Bunderburg, because I think that that community is very, very lucky to have her Now. We are always so, so happy to be sharing this journey with you. So until next time, stay wild.